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this is lou elizondo and you are

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is dandy i mean andy um

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and joke for all the cool kids

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apparently some people have referred to

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us as dandy online um i don't know

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um but yeah anyway this is a review of

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the documentary by dan aykroyd aykroyd

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dan aykroyd from

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very famous movies such as ghostbusters

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um from saturn tonight live i was going

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very famous actor and the documentary is

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called dan aykroyd unplugged on ufos now

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uh the reason we're doing this as we've

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done a couple of reviews last month of a

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tear in the sky and the aerial

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phenomenon documentary which people were

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very much enjoying people have asked us

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for some time for for recommendations on

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documentaries on books all that kind of

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stuff and it's something i've been

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meaning to do for a while and we finally

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got around to to doing it and we're

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going to at least once a month release a

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review of an older documentary or if

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there's newer ones such as moment of

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contact coming out in the coming months

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we'll look at those and review them too

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but this is one i found a few years ago

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on youtube um it's free it's on youtube

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i really enjoyed it at the time

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i mentioned it to dan dan you hadn't

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seen it before you've watched it

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recently is that right that's right yeah

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i hadn't watched it before and i was

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really excited too because i i've

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enjoyed dan aykroyd's appearances on on

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joe rogan and things like that um you

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know i don't necessarily ascribe to all

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the beliefs that he does but doesn't

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matter he presents the subject really

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well i think and and i was excited to

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the word so like i say i've not saw this

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for quite a few years long before i even

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had dreams of the podcast um this

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documentary was made in 2005. uh dan

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aykroyd unplugged on ufos as the full

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title so dan akroyd is a big selling

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point of the documentary however it's

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not like william shatner appearing in a

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ufo documentary we'll get to it but dan

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aykroyd has quite a good knowledge and

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passion for the ufo subject um the cover

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of the documentary or one of the covers

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has the tagline

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some of the most striking ufo footage

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ever taken if you ever perused your

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blockbuster global video um hmv or

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whichever of your dvd slash vhs stores

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used to have that ufo section i'm sure

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we all remember wandering over past the

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wrestling tapes there'd be like a

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naughty section and then you would see

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like usually it was the roswell autopsy

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video wasn't it yeah that was the one

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that was always there uh front and

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center but surrounding it were all these

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very similar looking ufo documentaries

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and they all had really similar taglines

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of incredible never seen before footage

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ever see top secret declassified footage

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now inside and that's that's how they

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were all portrayed and they all had a

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really similar look same tag lines same

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yeah nick pope on the front or other

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quite similar to a lot of that however

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you why um it was directed by david

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a bad segue um directed by david

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so worth checking out on imdb if you're

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looking for a bit more information or if

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you want to check out that 2009 quantum

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however he didn't direct much after that

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into that doesn't it and and

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distasteful like early casting couch

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the kind of shady surrounding i don't

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know and that's what i mean by casting

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you know we can't do this in broad

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daylight i have to give you this

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know nowheresville yeah and it starts

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and and dan acker is just kind of

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messing about a little bit it comes

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across as low budget to be fair it will

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poorly produced i think it's just dated

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it's now 17 years old and with a lower

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filmmaking and tv making tools so they

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that they had access okay

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listeners do this if they're going to go

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now spoilers like go go and watch this

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bang it's thrown at you and if you were

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are these and they're never spoken about

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again um so it's it's touched on early

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logical and sensible particularly early

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before you know our others haven't said

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because he seems to come from a very

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similar type a place of very passionate

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he's talking about all kinds of stuff he

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to be a lot of common sense and just to

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push that a little bit further

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very early on he mentions like you know

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hypothesis which i don't think you would

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have heard too much of at that time and

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types of theories and hypothesis jack

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valley of course and others

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interesting to hear someone like dan

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think what we're looking at with dan

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aykroyd is he's a big sci-fi fan that

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in the mcu so we're going to have like

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superheroes fighting able to understand

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conversation about the multiverse and

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quantum things and that's kind of wild

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if you think about it but

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he

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digging into it a lot um i think maybe

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if

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he was a little bit younger when that

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kind of post-internet age happened i

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think he there's a good chance that he

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would have been someone like tom's alone

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kind of spread the message um you get

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that plausible deniability with him

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because there are some of his beliefs

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that you know don't necessarily

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match the the more kind of

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realistic uh ones that he'll discuss

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but ultimately i just think he was a bit

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too early you know we're seeing a lot of

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people come through that aren't

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necessarily

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religious and that grew up in the time

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where that was seen as an excellent

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thing and so on so forth so you kind of

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end up with a lot more open-minded

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people coming into the office just after

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he's kind of hitting that really popular

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curve um so yeah i think

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if if he was younger now he absolutely

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would be a target for kind of

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dissemination i guess we're talking

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about right

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yeah and and that's a fair point i'm

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looking at his imdb just now and there's

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a lot of people when i when i've done a

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little bit of research and digging into

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this that would say this was one of the

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reasons that dan aykroyd's career

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sort of never

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went any further

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because of his beliefs and some of the

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things he talked about um including ufos

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as well because it just wasn't the done

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thing and like obviously ghostbusters

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was huge he had a huge career in the 80s

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some famous films coneheads the famous

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favorite of mine as a kid you know blues

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brothers was in there

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then he done voices for the ghostbusters

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series animated series games

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but yeah for this being made 2005 he

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didn't do a whole lot

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after that other than ghostbusters

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related stuff um and it took it a

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certain amount of time as well for tom

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because tom's been into ufos and the

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paranormal ever since you know he could

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get his hands on a computer pretty much

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and went to i think it was a library

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book he found um

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and so you know it's not like anyone was

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giving him information at the start of

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his career

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he got very big with blink and then this

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kind of

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official contact came along and the

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conspiracy minded out there mike might

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want to consider the blink 182 played a

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gig um not long after the tic tac

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incident occurred i believe uh on the

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uss nimitz

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so yeah you know so there could have

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been some conversation there with some

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of the sailors on board uh that i wonder

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if you know he got wind of something

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there

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yeah and you know what to be fair i i

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guess the way this is presented anyone

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who who might have been from one of

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those stove pipes that tom delong talks

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about might have looked and went ah bit

354
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too conspiracy-ish for what we're

355
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looking for and he's put his views out

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there and um but the whole setup it's

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very honest as well as it's

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and it doesn't really change in terms of

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settings we don't get shots of dan

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aykroyd walking down various different

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streets and alleyways at night like uh

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what did you think of the

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ufo footage they included

364
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well i've got here that a lot of the

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clips are zoomed in this was my very

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next note but it's pretty poor quality

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footage for the most part and on the

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poor quality footage they are zooming in

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on poor quality footage which just makes

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the blob harder to make out

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yeah i said one of the clips to vinnie

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and i i thought that it resembled a

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certain craft um

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that we talk about some people call it

375
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the aurora and stuff like that and he he

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saw a completely different shape in it

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and he was totally valid it was just you

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know a smudge essentially on the screen

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and it was just like yeah how do we how

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do we even discuss the footage that's

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been included in this documentary

382
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however is that then this documentary

383
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looking at people who are fans of the

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subject are knowledgeable about the

385
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subject like us

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that's not the selling point then

387
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because we're not having that sold to us

388
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this is for people who have a very

389
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passing interest in ufos or are just

390
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dipping their toes in who are going to

391
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see this kind of stuff for the first

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time and go oh wow look at that the the

393
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billy meyer stuff which i know is very

394
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much to some people's taste and to other

395
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people's not um

396
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is that the stuff we keep getting emails

397
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about

398
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yeah uh yes it is yes yeah okay yeah

399
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okay well we'll say no more um and

400
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that's not the secret folks but just

401
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some people are very keen on us talking

402
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about it and

403
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um

404
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that footage and those clips are in

405
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there quite a lot and

406
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i i i don't believe those are genuine

407
00:14:10,949 --> 00:14:08,560
clips or that's genuine footage of ufos

408
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um however they are presented on this as

409
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you know hear some ufos and people new

410
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to the subject at least it gives them

411
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that n

412
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of oh that's interesting and then they

413
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wondered

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themselves

415
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we had this issue with the ufo series

416
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done by bad robot jj abrams where some

417
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footage was included of sightings that

418
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have been you know some people think

419
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they haven't been debunked but

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i i would say most of the community

421
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would agree that they shouldn't have

422
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been included because those sightings

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have been proven a hoax or questionable

424
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at the very least

425
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and there they are and if people then

426
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kind of take the little description

427
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that's in the corner and go and google

428
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that and the first thing they come

429
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across is that it's a hoax it's just

430
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killing their interest in the first like

431
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10 seconds right it would be so much

432
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nicer to just have that consideration of

433
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you know yeah i know there's only kind

434
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of three videos but it's all we got

435
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right now that are actually confirmed

436
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you know so this is what we have to work

437
00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:03,760
with i also get 2005 the internet was

438
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still pretty fledgling in terms of what

439
00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:07,680
you could do on it and it's reached for

440
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people and all that kind of stuff so a

441
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lot of this stuff may or may not have

442
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been debunked or widely widely known at

443
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that time

444
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something that crops up several times on

445
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it and i couldn't even remember if it

446
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was the same footage but i've since

447
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found out as one of the listeners had

448
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even brought up the same thing the the

449
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clip of the 12 mexican ufos sure is the

450
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oil field it's the oil field yeah and i

451
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was looking going is that the same

452
00:15:35,350 --> 00:15:33,120
footage and as but again in this

453
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documentary it's provided as look at

454
00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:38,079
these ufos they were on radar or 911

455
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radar and three went on radar and all

456
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that kind of stuff and it's like ah

457
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but again for the time for when it was

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made

459
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the interesting footage in this for me

460
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would you would you guess because again

461
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we'll go my next note then um i've got

462
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three it's a three letter thing right

463
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sts

464
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:57,519
oh yes yeah i've got nasa's four but

465
00:16:01,509 --> 00:15:59,759
yeah actually yeah cool so

466
00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:01,519
the interesting footage is the nasa

467
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stuff and obviously very timely that's

468
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inter-spliced throughout and we hear

469
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about gemini 2 which was unmanned being

470
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followed by ufos a gemini 4 astronaut

471
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james mcdevitt reported something was

472
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quote unquote up there with them

473
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and we see gordon cooper on camera who's

474
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talked on the subject you know over the

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years before he passed away um

476
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archive footage of him speaking of

477
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course but uh

478
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he's got incredible cv and background

479
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,000
not only just being an astronaut but his

480
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military career as well and he talks

481
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about roswell people he's spoken to

482
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about it he hopes the us military have

483
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managed to reverse engineer flying

484
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saucers but all of this as they're

485
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talking has some of that sts footage

486
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over it and the best one for me and i

487
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still think it's some of the best ufo

488
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footage out there

489
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if you remind me dan i'll put in the

490
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clip of it as

491
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can you guess actually then which one i

492
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think is the best one is it the one with

493
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the missile

494
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no where it looks like oh is it not i

495
00:17:02,629 --> 00:16:59,759
was gonna say it looks like kind of

496
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something comes in and it it stops

497
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,240
and then it looks like something gets

498
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:06,559
shot up shot from the planet surface at

499
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it and then it kind of zips away out of

500
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,720
frame again that's very good but the

501
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,480
other one where it's the

502
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:14,720
the two objects come in at speed from

503
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the left hand side okay they stop dead

504
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and then slowly float up

505
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and

506
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,319
either one of those on their own if

507
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:24,079
those objects came in at speed and shot

508
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:26,000
across the camera yeah make it right

509
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,240
space junk whatever ice crystals i'll

510
00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,480
i'll take any of those explanations

511
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or the object slowly floating along

512
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,960
again i'll take any of that space junk

513
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,240
satellites

514
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:38,400
secret tr3b whatever you want to call it

515
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:40,400
yeah that's fine however no you don't

516
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:42,720
get that last one however

517
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,520
the fact that those come in at speed

518
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:48,240
stop and then change direction and move

519
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:49,520
off

520
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:50,799
that and i know you've said to me as

521
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:53,039
well dan i'm 100 sure this was you i'm

522
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:55,360
not giving away any secret sources here

523
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,360
but there are satellites which do that

524
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:59,120
we have satellites which can move and

525
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,840
stop but they don't do it at that speed

526
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,520
you know satellites do

527
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,760
we think of something in a pool kind of

528
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:07,600
moving around you can push one way but

529
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:09,280
you're kind of still gonna drift on you

530
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:10,640
and and then you've got to push the

531
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:11,840
other way to kind of stop yourself

532
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,000
moving that's what that looks like um

533
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:16,080
there's a video of the oh i want to say

534
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:17,679
one of the capsules that went down to

535
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:18,720
the moon where you can kind of see it

536
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,559
maneuvering like that it's again we'll

537
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:22,160
include the link uh because it's really

538
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,000
interesting but you can see how

539
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:26,960
something maneuvers in in kind of

540
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,280
um in the vacuum of space and how it

541
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:31,200
should move um nothing should be

542
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:33,760
stopping dead on a dime you know yeah on

543
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,200
the documentary link which will be the

544
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,720
first link in the description of the

545
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:38,240
show so do check it out even if you

546
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:39,679
don't want to watch the full thing skip

547
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to 25 minutes in roughly 23 25 minutes

548
00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:46,080
that's where the nasa sts stuff is um

549
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:47,440
and i think that's that's some of the

550
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,600
best footage available and if you are

551
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,440
nasa and you're undertaking an

552
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,760
independent study into uap

553
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,600
and you've got a low budget the first

554
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:57,760
thing you can do is jump on youtube

555
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,160
search your own archival footage and go

556
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:02,160
oh do we have the raw data and the raw

557
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,360
one of this because that would be an

558
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:05,280
interesting one to look at

559
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:06,080
you know

560
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:07,679
that's that's for me is incredible

561
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,029
please honestly get in touch with me

562
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,520
email whatever you want to do

563
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:22,080
if you can tell me what that is

564
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,520
that makes sense and is sensible then

565
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,200
those objects come in at speed from the

566
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:29,679
left hand side stop and then move off at

567
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:32,480
a 90 degree angle very slowly what would

568
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:34,160
that be that isn't something

569
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:35,760
intelligently controlled

570
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:37,760
answers on a postcard please yeah but

571
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,799
sorry

572
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:40,080
it's a very good question and just to

573
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,160
clarify as well uh there are things

574
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,799
called like geosynchronous orbit um and

575
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,799
geostationary and they're basically

576
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:49,200
satellites you can put um or the certain

577
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:50,640
type of orbits where you can pop a

578
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:51,840
satellite and it'll stay at the same

579
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,160
point over a planet or it'll kind of you

580
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,559
know go around the planet twice for

581
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:59,039
every kind of one rotation of the planet

582
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:00,880
neither of those things move in the way

583
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,520
you've just described yeah so it's not a

584
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,520
satellite as as we kind of think of it

585
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:07,039
like that so just want to be clear there

586
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,799
i don't want people thinking that i'm

587
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,720
kind of saying the satellites can't stay

588
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:12,720
still because they can it just doesn't

589
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,440
look good there is zero room for debate

590
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,400
on these objects coming in at a speed

591
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,559
stopping and then moving at a 90 degree

592
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,880
and go in a different direction slowly

593
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,760
so

594
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,840
yeah i would love to be educated on what

595
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:27,200
those could be and if someone can tell

596
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:28,559
me i would be like oh yeah fair enough

597
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,440
but

598
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,600
you can't just say uh whatever that's

599
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,159
that's fascinating footage genuinely and

600
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:35,840
if you do nothing else go and watch that

601
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,400
clip and but we'll put the isolated clip

602
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,640
in the description as well

603
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:41,919
something to consider with the nasa

604
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,950
for national security there are a lot of

605
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,960
satellites that are in use that people

606
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,720
just don't know about uh you know places

607
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,400
like nasa might not get access to them

608
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,840
because they're for you know the

609
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,039
national reconnaissance office or

610
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:57,200
something like that um

611
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,159
so

612
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:01,200
those things often get handed down um

613
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,559
through the agencies as their

614
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:04,159
capabilities you know they'll launch

615
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,440
something else and replace it so then

616
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,720
they'll say hey nasa you can have the

617
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,200
satellite and track infrared to this

618
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,360
resolution over the planet so

619
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,280
we literally could have more tools and

620
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,919
data available for those clips than we

621
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:18,000
did at the time yeah so it's going to be

622
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:19,280
real interesting to see if they dive

623
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,559
back into those archives because you're

624
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,960
right they should because yeah

625
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,640
i want to know what that is too

626
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,320
keeping on the astronauts discussion for

627
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,520
the moment

628
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:29,600
astronauts seem to have a really wild

629
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,799
swing of opinion on the ufo subject

630
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,559
i've always thought

631
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,120
that if you're going up into space

632
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:39,200
you're going to see some stuff because i

633
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,799
imagine i'm not expecting it to look

634
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,640
like the jetsons or futurama up there

635
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,720
you know like interstellar highways but

636
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,240
i would imagine you see some pretty

637
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,880
incredible things and i imagine space

638
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,559
looks very different when you're looking

639
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,159
at those windows to what you imagine it

640
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,440
would even look like they're just you

641
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:55,679
know yeah a big black expanse i imagine

642
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,480
it's just

643
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,120
very strange but i i would expect that

644
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,880
these astronauts would see stuff quite

645
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,960
regularly whether they report on it or

646
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,280
not as different matters but you get

647
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,679
those like gordon cooper edgar mitchell

648
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,840
buzz aldrin you know her very open and

649
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,400
happy to speculate buzz aldrin sat on on

650
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:14,080
news reports and talked about monoliths

651
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,520
on the far side of the moon and things

652
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,720
like that which

653
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,640
you know i get is a very elderly

654
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:21,200
gentleman but he's he's stuck to his

655
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,640
guns and all of these things for a long

656
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:24,480
long time um

657
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,679
on the other hand though you have

658
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,799
younger

659
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,440
astronauts newer to the field like chris

660
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,000
hadfield who can be as much the lovely

661
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,760
guy quite derisively about the ufo

662
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,600
subject and others where they basically

663
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,200
came out and was it chris hadfield that

664
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:41,039
recently said you were stupid to believe

665
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,080
in

666
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,480
strong words strong words unfortunately

667
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:46,080
i think part of that issue is because

668
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,200
there's just

669
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,480
you know back when golden cooper was

670
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,760
going to space there was a lot less

671
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,240
stuff in space now you know we've had

672
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,120
china kind of um blow up satellites in

673
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,280
orbit and let the debris kind of fly

674
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,720
around so

675
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,400
that would kind of create millions of

676
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,440
little particles or thousands maybe but

677
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,720
there's a lot there that could be

678
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,200
mistaken for a uap so i think you know

679
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:09,120
if anything moves in a strange way out

680
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,640
the window

681
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,600
there's

682
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,200
they would just describe it to that or

683
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,120
they could say oh you know it was just

684
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:16,880
xyz from another country or an old

685
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,120
rocket engine or so on so forth just

686
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,960
because yeah there's more stuff in space

687
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,720
whereas back when cooper and everyone

688
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,400
was going up you you kind of just had

689
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,159
more opportunity for them to go wait

690
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,159
that's not something that we make that's

691
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,919
odd you know

692
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,480
definitely and um

693
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,240
black knight satellite aside you know

694
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,440
there's a topic for another day yeah

695
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,120
i guess they must get briefed before

696
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,559
they go up as well and if you see

697
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,000
anything you know

698
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,760
i'm it must be mentioned do you think

699
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,880
it's meant to wait can i just have a

700
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,480
little quicker side on that there was a

701
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,960
paper released recently uh where the

702
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,799
team was looking at whether there was

703
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:52,559
anything in orbit basically before we

704
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,840
sent any artificial things up into orbit

705
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,919
and they found a couple of candidates

706
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,159
that yeah we think there was something

707
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,039
orbiting us uh basically and and more

708
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,799
work is being done on it so yeah you can

709
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,080
call that the black knight satellite if

710
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,440
you want but there was something

711
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,039
orbiting us

712
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,919
on that other sts footage and we talked

713
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,320
about this on one of the shows i think

714
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,320
did we do this for one of the kgra shows

715
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,840
that you can find on youtube still yeah

716
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,440
a couple of couples on

717
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,360
our favorite kind of footage um shows

718
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,799
we'll let you do some more of those but

719
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,880
it was the tether incident

720
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,960
and i might get this badly wrong folks

721
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,880
this has been researched by me for

722
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,559
almost 30 seconds

723
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,240
i believe though again we'll put the

724
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,760
link for the tether one then make a note

725
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,960
on that and i'll put that in there as

726
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,039
well but they were doing an experiment

727
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,000
in space from the space station

728
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,360
and they put

729
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,520
am i correct in saying a 12 mile long

730
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,080
tether yes it was a very long tether

731
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,000
okay

732
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,400
on that footage you see

733
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,320
it appears that objects are passing

734
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,320
behind the tether

735
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,720
because unless it's a camera malfunction

736
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:59,200
or whatever but it very much seems that

737
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,559
these

738
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,640
weird looking what they call that type

739
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,760
of circle with a hole in the middle

740
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,360
donut looking but

741
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,679
let's say bagel would you say yeah yeah

742
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,200
yeah and acrylic gives it a name and

743
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,360
that is it spider or

744
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,960
something like that he says the name of

745
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,679
it on the documentary um but there's

746
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,279
lots of these kind of floating about

747
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,039
they look almost like organisms under a

748
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,480
microscope yeah they remind me of

749
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,320
jellyfish they kind of undulate in the

750
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,760
same way and it looked like they were

751
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,679
just kind of drifting and it definitely

752
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:27,440
goes behind the tether as well there's a

753
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,640
few kind of

754
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,159
the ones that i would call the big ones

755
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,520
that if you watch that

756
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,600
that's that's the issue for me right i

757
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,520
get you can have all kinds of artifacts

758
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,520
on a camera or things that you you know

759
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,200
i'm no expert in that kind of footage so

760
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,400
i wouldn't know what it could be and it

761
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,159
could be any kinds of things but if

762
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,880
you've got a 12 mile long pole out in

763
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,120
space that you're filming and again the

764
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,960
quality and footage isn't great it was

765
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,919
the 90s it's a poll being filmed in

766
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,679
space and it's on

767
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,000
as not infrared but it's on a weird kind

768
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,000
of filter so they can see it properly

769
00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:00,000
would that be yeah yeah yeah you know

770
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,360
they're not broadcasting in color from

771
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:03,679
space yeah that's not hd

772
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,559
however these objects appear to be

773
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,480
floating along and passing behind what

774
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,799
is a 12 mile pole and i saw one of the

775
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,559
comments if you find the footage online

776
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,080
we'll put the link to it someone's

777
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,520
saying that that would estimate the size

778
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,600
of the object to be width of one to

779
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,470
that's just again i would love to hear

780
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,320
someone explain what those objects could

781
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,320
be and if you can tell me it's something

782
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,039
natural then what kind of size is that

783
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:31,039
floating about behind the tether of that

784
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,000
length

785
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,240
you know in space because that again to

786
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,480
me is pretty startling

787
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,240
footage and again for it just to be out

788
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,080
there

789
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,240
yeah yeah yeah absolutely i i agree with

790
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,000
that uh it's one of those videos that i

791
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,919
kind of

792
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,360
and again we've spoken about this where

793
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,279
youtube it's becoming harder to find

794
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,440
stuff on youtube yeah and i don't know

795
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,279
if it's just that the youtube algorithm

796
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,320
is getting a bit crappy or what but yeah

797
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,919
there are certain what i would call

798
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,760
classic ufo videos that are just kind of

799
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,000
difficult to find now try and find it on

800
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,840
acrylic one just on its own i struggled

801
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,440
i had to get people to send me the link

802
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,360
to it it's not you don't just type in

803
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:09,120
that acquired unplugged on ufos and it

804
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,480
appears it's uh

805
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,840
and that's with the correct spelling of

806
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,919
akroyd um so yeah

807
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,919
um but yeah in terms of footage that was

808
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,279
quite an interesting bit that's around

809
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,840
25 to 30 minutes and you see a lot of

810
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,520
different bits of footage the nasa stuff

811
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:23,200
though i think you've said the same that

812
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,399
is definitely the most interesting

813
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:26,080
that's on there was there anything else

814
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,520
that stood out to you in terms of

815
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,039
footage

816
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,960
they um they speak about the

817
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,640
the national press club which i thought

818
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,480
was interesting to look back on because

819
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,000
we've actually had proper hearings now

820
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,600
as opposed to the marquee rings that

821
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,520
they had but i think everyone would

822
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,440
agree that had the hearings been a bit

823
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,039
more like the national press club

824
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,720
hearings we all would have been a little

825
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,799
happier with with kind of

826
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,120
how should i put it um our side's

827
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,720
showing

828
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,640
yeah a very young grant cameron on there

829
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,880
a young richard dolan among others grant

830
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,480
cameron is on the podcast in a couple of

831
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,240
weeks he's coming on after the brazil

832
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,000
hearings happen so that'll be an

833
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,840
interesting discussion no doubt with uh

834
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,240
mr cameron and get your questions in

835
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,919
early for that one folks

836
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:07,760
um about a third of the way now through

837
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,039
the documentary it gets onto abductions

838
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,120
and so we get a bit of a shift in tone

839
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,000
um dan aykroyd compares frogs being used

840
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,240
for study and dissection and how other

841
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,240
species may view us we have said similar

842
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:21,679
on the podcast talking about you know

843
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,360
fish and other analogies like that

844
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,360
where does abduction sit in the timeline

845
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,760
in this conversation even now because

846
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,559
for so many it's really sensitive

847
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,559
as a subject same with any type of

848
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,880
experience or conversation

849
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,679
but is it fair to say it's just too far

850
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:41,520
for the conversation to happen right now

851
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,799
in the mainstream

852
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,399
it's the bit that makes people

853
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,080
uncomfortable i think unless you're

854
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,240
someone that's experienced this and so

855
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,919
you know you've really internalized kind

856
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,320
of what's going on uh in terms of

857
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,600
you know they're here and something's

858
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,990
it becomes a really scary part of the

859
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,080
conversation that the walls no longer

860
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,480
keep us safe right but national security

861
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:04,000
is breached there's nothing we can do

862
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,440
about it

863
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,440
i think discussion about that is ahead

864
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,440
of us because things like the brazilian

865
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,520
hearings you know canada agreeing today

866
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,919
to to share their data with the us

867
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,600
all of this stuff

868
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,360
is going to start amassing and at some

869
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,520
point someone is going to say wait so

870
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,399
our abduction's real and then we've got

871
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,720
essentially an investigation into what

872
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,399
maybe you know missing people to report

873
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,880
across america to try and find out

874
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:30,480
if any of these people were potentially

875
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,360
taken

876
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,799
um

877
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:35,279
these reports of abductees having you

878
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,399
know their

879
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,159
eggs taken and things like that this

880
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,559
this kind of gets really heavy and scary

881
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,640
anyone that's experienced this will no

882
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,640
doubt be suffering from ptsd and that

883
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,080
that's a really delicate part of this

884
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:48,320
conversation it it's gonna happen but

885
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,520
it's ahead of us

886
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,520
yeah i think if you if you took someone

887
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,360
like who's a friend or family member

888
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,440
with no real interest in the ufo subject

889
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,799
and you start having a sensible

890
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,559
conversation about you know what

891
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,200
happened from 2017 and the hearings in

892
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,039
the us hearings in brazil here's some

893
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,799
footage that has been taken and

894
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,039
declassified from from the us navy and

895
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,039
such um

896
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,960
and i find i can have that conversation

897
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,000
and draw people in a little bit

898
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,520
especially when the podcast gets brought

899
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,200
up in the place i work people talk about

900
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,039
it now and people know i do it and

901
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,760
you've got a podcast ufos really

902
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,600
and you can have a bit of a chat

903
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,000
i feel that you imagine like a magnet

904
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,520
she can attract them in and pull them in

905
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,720
a little bit when you go look forget

906
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,480
about space and forget about aliens what

907
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:30,880
about some other ideas and okay

908
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,679
i think when you start to mention

909
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,440
the abductions and things like

910
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:38,240
experiences and being taken to see other

911
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,200
planets and star systems and

912
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,399
experimentation it's like the magnets

913
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,840
flip and they start you know when you're

914
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,679
trying to push two magnets with the same

915
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,520
together and they just don't want to fit

916
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,440
yeah you get that resistance don't you

917
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,520
from people where it's like nah nah okay

918
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,200
too much and it just seems like you lose

919
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,600
them so i get why that's not a part of

920
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,120
the conversation right now and i've said

921
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,519
before i wouldn't be shocked if behind

922
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,640
the scenes

923
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,159
there are people high up within the

924
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,159
government high up within the military

925
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:07,039
who they themselves will be experiencers

926
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,559
but that's where those conversations

927
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,320
stay for now

928
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,039
yeah so when and i think it was john

929
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,880
davies i was talking to some time ago as

930
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,679
an experiencer and and he said he felt

931
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,200
that frustration not having a seat at

932
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:21,120
the table you know experiences being

933
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,320
represented

934
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:24,000
it's only my opinion but i think they

935
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,600
are they probably just don't know that

936
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,320
yet yeah i think so i i would say to

937
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,399
anyone who's inexperienced to feel

938
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:32,240
represented by the side of the

939
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,440
conversation that talks about things

940
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,039
like the hitchhiker effect and people

941
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,880
taking things home with them that's

942
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,360
that's the side of the rail where

943
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,880
it's gonna lead to

944
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,880
uh something essentially being done and

945
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,720
people being taken seriously instead of

946
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,399
being laughed at

947
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,159
that's just no way to treat you know

948
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,840
trauma victims

949
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,840
yeah given the time of the documentary i

950
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,039
won't go through the whole the whole

951
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,440
thing bit by bit but

952
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,039
i think the first third is definitely

953
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,279
strongest part as it then moves into

954
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,120
other topics it jumps about and bounces

955
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,279
about a little bit

956
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,200
i did get a moment though where uh again

957
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,799
i think it's about halfway through three

958
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,960
quarters of the way through dan aykroyd

959
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,960
mentioned some of the cases

960
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,120
and ufology bear mind this is 2005 and

961
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,880
he mentions betty and barney hill

962
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,399
pascagoula

963
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:17,360
and

964
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,399
the time on really you know

965
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,559
lesser known forums online or signed up

966
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,559
to newsletters or some magazines that

967
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,240
were circulated

968
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,760
everyone was having very similar

969
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,080
conversations and please as someone's

970
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,159
probably sitting shouting at 36 i don't

971
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,080
know and i wasn't there for those and no

972
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,919
i wasn't i was the guy the kid at the

973
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,919
library like dan was getting out the

974
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,360
videos getting out the books and just

975
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,799
kind of seen what was available there

976
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,399
wasn't that same

977
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,480
access to knowledge and information we

978
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,840
couldn't connect in the same way right

979
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,440
now we couldn't email david mahler and

980
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,279
just go hey how many triangle cases have

981
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,559
you had this year did you have one in

982
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,240
this area i thought i saw you know you

983
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,799
we just couldn't do that yeah and i

984
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,960
think that showed me that how lucky and

985
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,480
fortunate we've been in the last five

986
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,720
years yes there's been some rough stuff

987
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,399
come our way in terms of

988
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,559
some some shaky footage and i think even

989
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,080
just today there's been some stuff come

990
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,919
out that the article the drive released

991
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,159
the other day it turns out that the

992
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,320
drones that were on the footage are

993
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,159
actually just lights on the ship

994
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,080
yes absolutely this this is why it's

995
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,760
really questionable either that's that's

996
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,840
fair those those are like yeah they just

997
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,200
are right and and

998
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,799
it begs a lot of questions about what's

999
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,880
going on uh because it could be that

1000
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,080
things being

1001
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,960
intentionally uh misled or it could just

1002
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,600
be kind of an aptitude um there was also

1003
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,360
a thing pointed out where a lot of what

1004
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,720
were called drones

1005
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,720
or possible possible uas that was the

1006
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,440
term used um were actually stars in the

1007
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,440
sky and they've been mapped and matched

1008
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,840
and fair enough again uh so it's just

1009
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,600
begging more questions you know it's

1010
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,919
just as valid to say possible uas as it

1011
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,919
is to say possible uap

1012
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:59,840
so always spin those unknowns and and

1013
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,919
just you know people should hold off on

1014
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,440
running to either side of the aisle

1015
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,039
basically you know they might be

1016
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,039
pleiadians but also if we can't prove

1017
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,919
that let's keep spinning the play

1018
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,919
but on the flip side in the last five

1019
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,240
years there's been so many good talking

1020
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,320
points so much good footage

1021
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,720
so many you know podcasts have popped up

1022
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,200
blogs have popped up youtube channels

1023
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,919
newsletters magazines you know

1024
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,760
new authors look at graeme rendell you

1025
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,520
know our friend and colleague

1026
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,839
and new voices in the subject and new

1027
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,639
ideas new opinions and social media love

1028
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:35,200
it or hate it has its place as well and

1029
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,560
none of that was around back then and

1030
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,919
it's like we have said before that it

1031
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,399
was the same cases the same information

1032
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,919
and it was just little bits and pieces

1033
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,919
and i know what i've said before i i

1034
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,040
ripped vinnie a little bit i don't know

1035
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:46,800
what he said on twitter it was the it

1036
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:48,800
was kind of the quiet before the storm

1037
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,320
and i was like look at the last month

1038
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,760
how much we've had actually come out

1039
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,599
it's just we're so impatient now because

1040
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,240
it's that 140 character information

1041
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,040
heavy generations that we we see a day

1042
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,880
with no news and everyone just eats each

1043
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,040
other alive so i think it made me feel

1044
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,240
very lucky that 17 years have passed and

1045
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,240
these cases have got a place in history

1046
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,880
pascagoula you know um travis walton

1047
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,560
betty and barney hill

1048
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,640
kenneth arnold you know all that stuff

1049
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:17,200
has happened and has its place

1050
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,079
but

1051
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,680
we're moving forward at such a rate of

1052
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,560
speed

1053
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,079
that and we're getting a lot of crap

1054
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,440
thrown at us as well you know you talk

1055
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,040
about those chinese satellites that are

1056
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,040
being blown up up there you're trying to

1057
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:28,800
do all this good work on iss and you're

1058
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,920
fighting your way through all the crap

1059
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,599
that's blown about round about you you

1060
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,640
just have to get through that kind of

1061
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,160
rough patch and and you get to the good

1062
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,480
stuff um so i i thought that was a nice

1063
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:38,000
little moment for me when i was like oh

1064
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,440
actually we're really lucky kind of

1065
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,040
where we're at right now

1066
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,359
yeah we take it for granted uh

1067
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:44,880
having

1068
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,640
we've just gotten used to kind of this

1069
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,480
steady stream and yes it's a drip feed

1070
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,880
but it's consistent since the 2017

1071
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,560
article we've just seen this build up

1072
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,920
again and again and again and we get

1073
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,320
these media peaks but the subject isn't

1074
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,920
going away

1075
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,520
the right people are talking about it

1076
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,280
and i i would

1077
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,280
hazard a guess that the subject is more

1078
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,680
popular than it has ever been

1079
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,839
dan akroyd mentioned something that he

1080
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:12,000
still finds the topic and the subject

1081
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,119
fun

1082
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,440
and again that made me kind of smile

1083
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,440
because he smiles on camera and that's

1084
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,040
really important and i try and remind

1085
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:20,960
myself constantly that i enjoy this

1086
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:24,079
topic i like sitting talking about ufos

1087
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,839
whether people you know want to give us

1088
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,760
abuse or not that we get abused but you

1089
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,440
know they want to disagree that that's

1090
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,880
great it's fine let's have a discussion

1091
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,880
an argument a debate and then

1092
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,640
high five at the end of it and you know

1093
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,320
go our separate ways but

1094
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,000
you know like people when we've done the

1095
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,599
nasa breakdown recently we're like oh

1096
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,280
you were far too nice about them and

1097
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,359
we're like yeah maybe a little bit but

1098
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,599
maybe we were a bit optimistic about

1099
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,520
what might come from that and i get

1100
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,920
people's pessimism as well but

1101
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,280
you know the discussion the

1102
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,200
possibilities the speculation the old

1103
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,720
stuff the new stuff

1104
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,320
it's just it's enjoyable there's a lot

1105
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,839
to this subject and people can get

1106
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,040
caught up in these little bubbles

1107
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,960
sometimes and that was nice to see that

1108
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,720
dan aykroyd ultimately for all he was

1109
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,560
talking about some heavy stuff

1110
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,079
he was just sitting going i'm just a guy

1111
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:08,000
who really enjoys this this subject and

1112
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,280
it seems to be that's how this whole

1113
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,720
documentary

1114
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,599
came about um

1115
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,520
towards the end of it dan it

1116
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,119
doesn't tail off but it jumps about a

1117
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,680
little bit and it becomes that you know

1118
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,240
they had the idea dan let's sit you down

1119
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,400
not you dan but the other dan that let's

1120
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,560
set that acro down let's talk about ufos

1121
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,560
let's go for it and at the end of it i

1122
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,320
just cannot you know let's get this in

1123
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,960
let's get this in um for me there's a

1124
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,800
bit of men in black chat at the end of

1125
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,400
the conversation where he talks about

1126
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,480
they were making a show

1127
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,400
and you know last minute some guys

1128
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,560
turned up and wasn't men in black was it

1129
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,640
not it never happened

1130
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:47,040
and it was like okay men in black's

1131
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,560
something we have not talked about too

1132
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,839
often on the the podcast um i think if

1133
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:54,240
you draw a spider web of ufology with

1134
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,599
you know ufos in the middle and

1135
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,200
everything that that entails coming off

1136
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,520
it i think in the other part men in

1137
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,119
black would be in there somewhere is

1138
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,119
quite an interesting part of the topic

1139
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,400
for many people

1140
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,800
um that acquired actually mentions that

1141
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,800
the the show was made but he might put

1142
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,440
it on dvd but here we are 17 years later

1143
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,040
and we've never seen the light of day

1144
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,720
from it so there's there's footage there

1145
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:16,320
somewhere i would like to see

1146
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,440
um

1147
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,520
but for me men in black dan just for

1148
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,359
people newer to the podcast and haven't

1149
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,520
heard your thoughts on it before i mean

1150
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,400
the the phenomenon of you know suited

1151
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:28,800
beings or mysterious beings are weird

1152
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,359
kind of being strange i would say uh

1153
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,320
people showing up to interrogate uh

1154
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,640
people that have experiences

1155
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,240
it's commonplace but it's kind of faded

1156
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,680
off now i would say

1157
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,240
um and and i wonder if it's maybe part

1158
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,040
of could we talk about how

1159
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:47,040
this phenomena is represented in many

1160
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,560
different ways across history and i

1161
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,079
wonder if this that's just one of the

1162
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,400
ways they're expressed or

1163
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:54,880
you know i kind of i'm fond of the idea

1164
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,920
that if they are here then

1165
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,079
the men in black could be them doing

1166
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,760
foot work on the ground or legwork on

1167
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,200
the ground you know

1168
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,640
a little bit like the project blue book

1169
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,240
tv series where

1170
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,640
one of the guys who's clearly

1171
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,720
something else and yes

1172
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,160
and and we always talk about breakaway

1173
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,160
civilizations and things like that and

1174
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,680
who knows like a group of people could

1175
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:17,200
have done that and the technology could

1176
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,480
have changed them to the point where we

1177
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,720
see them as strange in something other

1178
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,480
do you think though there's also an

1179
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,400
element of

1180
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,320
the stigma with that if people these

1181
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,320
days came forward and said all these

1182
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,760
guys turned up afterwards and they were

1183
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,040
like men in black types and they

1184
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,359
threatened me that

1185
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,760
you wouldn't believe them anyway because

1186
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,760
you hear so many claims about all kinds

1187
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:39,760
of things on social media for example is

1188
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,560
where you would hear it that you it's

1189
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,400
okay where's your proof that the last

1190
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,920
bit of men in blackproof that i've seen

1191
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,720
was

1192
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:47,920
the

1193
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,040
case

1194
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,280
yeah there's a clip of the guy walking

1195
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,680
through the hotel lobby it's i think

1196
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,280
it's two guys isn't it they they come in

1197
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,119
kind of side by side and yeah they they

1198
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:02,000
look the absolute part but

1199
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,280
unless we have a time machine we can't

1200
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,960
go back it's one of those choose

1201
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:06,160
adventure things and we're seeing that

1202
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:08,839
now with the possible uas slash

1203
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:12,000
uap kind of thing from the drive where

1204
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,520
the language is vague enough or the

1205
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,760
thing is vague enough that we can just

1206
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,440
go blue in the face arguing over it

1207
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,119
forever and and i think it's important

1208
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,640
that we kind of try and step back and

1209
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,160
see the forest for the trees you know

1210
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:24,079
and another thing i suppose now is would

1211
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,440
you need a men in black type group when

1212
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,280
they're so

1213
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,040
so many people have a voice now because

1214
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,119
of social media that we never had that

1215
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:35,200
in the past that everyone's shouting all

1216
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,760
at the same time anyway so let people

1217
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,280
put their ufo footage out there let

1218
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,119
people talk about it everyone else is

1219
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,480
talking about a million other different

1220
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,119
things and ultimately you know who won

1221
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,720
johnny and amber

1222
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,880
so it just gets lost in the noise so you

1223
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,040
don't need men in black anymore and that

1224
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,200
intimidation tactics because yeah people

1225
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,800
won't believe you anyway if you don't

1226
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,960
have a way to kind of gather for your

1227
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,400
you know your data banks and stuff as

1228
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,560
well uh yeah we know that the police

1229
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,560
have tools where they can say i want to

1230
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,960
know who's talking about what thing

1231
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,760
within a 23-mile radius and this event

1232
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,079
yeah who might be within the age range

1233
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,560
of 15 to 18 and you know might have seen

1234
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,839
a light in the sky

1235
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,119
and the system will just tell them

1236
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,960
across every social network who did that

1237
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,520
i mean that's that compared to years ago

1238
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,440
to get that level of information that's

1239
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,000
an incredible level of access so yeah i

1240
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,079
i imagine you you wouldn't need people

1241
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,839
doing the same amount of leg work and

1242
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,359
showing up and you know taking things

1243
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,560
from people

1244
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,720
yeah i think i've talked before about i

1245
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,160
enjoy some of the phoenix light stuff

1246
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,839
again which is in this documentary they

1247
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,520
talk about and show some footage from

1248
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,160
that and dan aykroyd kind of finishes up

1249
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,680
mentioning he's he's been on art bell

1250
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,160
recently um and that's one i'll have to

1251
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,680
get a copy of and listen to it if

1252
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,680
someone can find it or send me at that

1253
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,599
would be great i would love to hear dan

1254
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,079
aykroyd's conversation with artbell um i

1255
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,760
would appreciate that one if anyone does

1256
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,920
have it and he mentions harold ramis a

1257
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,520
colleague of his you know rest in peace

1258
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,960
now because harold graham is no longer

1259
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,880
with us uh played egon in the

1260
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,599
ghostbusters and also directed groundhog

1261
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,280
day the movie there's one for you folks

1262
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,359
some people might not know that um but

1263
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,200
he mentioned that harold grimace wasn't

1264
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,640
a believer but he would have

1265
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,319
conversations about ufos and harold

1266
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,920
gramis very much was someone who was

1267
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,839
like maybe there's something but until

1268
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,760
there's irrefutable proof that i'm not

1269
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,119
really interested and i think that's

1270
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,440
still where many people are at but i

1271
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:23,520
think we've we've had that needle move a

1272
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,040
little bit is where we are in 2022 now

1273
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,720
anything else done in the documentary

1274
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,160
before i ask you your overall thoughts

1275
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,760
that stood out to you um i i liked that

1276
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,240
when he spoke about the multiverse stuff

1277
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,400
uh the example he gave was that a

1278
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,240
dimension could literally be a bubble

1279
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,560
that's one meter across on the back of

1280
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:44,079
his left ear and that's a really good

1281
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,200
point it's important to try and

1282
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:47,280
understand that and i i'd say he's quite

1283
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,119
he's quite well read to start thinking

1284
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,560
about that kind of stuff because it's

1285
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,560
absolutely kind of you know what physics

1286
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,160
talks about now

1287
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,560
recently we we found a we thought black

1288
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,240
holes had to be massive but we found

1289
00:43:03,430 --> 00:42:59,520
that actually they can be super super

1290
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:03,440
tiny um and we we think that i you know

1291
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,880
the listeners might have heard about uh

1292
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,640
planet nine that there might be a planet

1293
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,000
out there room in our solar system that

1294
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,560
kind of has has a certain gravitational

1295
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,800
pull um and that the orbits of the earth

1296
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,480
the planets don't make sense without it

1297
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:15,760
there's some thinking now that that

1298
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,960
could be a tiny black hole um so it's

1299
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,960
it's terrifying to think about but also

1300
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,560
fascinating to think that you know all

1301
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,880
this new science has been discovered and

1302
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,880
yeah it was a really good example

1303
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,000
of

1304
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,920
multiverse

1305
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,520
and again it's that's a good example of

1306
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:34,000
we still don't know everything

1307
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,200
when you look back and you learn in

1308
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,720
school that hundreds and thousands of

1309
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,480
years ago they thought x and it turns

1310
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,560
out y was true and what's it going to be

1311
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,839
like in a few hundred years from now

1312
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,680
basic things we thought were true

1313
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,800
actually

1314
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,440
we'll laugh at it you know yeah i mean a

1315
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,200
very very good example of that is we

1316
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,119
talk about space time as being a medium

1317
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,640
and things like that actually the

1318
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,480
physics or the physicists that are kind

1319
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,160
of on the leading edge know that space

1320
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,000
time kind of really isn't a thing that

1321
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,839
kind of supports what's going to be

1322
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,200
there and if

1323
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,359
if there's an underlying mechanism it's

1324
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,880
we we've blown past space time as a

1325
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,560
paradigm we don't need it anymore there

1326
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,920
needs to be something better that was

1327
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,599
just a theory that served a purpose for

1328
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,280
a little while

1329
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,359
overall thoughts for me i'll start with

1330
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,720
you dan actually because we'll end in a

1331
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,240
positive in terms of overall thoughts

1332
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,160
dan what did you think of this

1333
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,160
it's grown on me a little bit because it

1334
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,000
generated conversation between us about

1335
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,079
some of the better aspects of it and

1336
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:26,000
that's really what these things exist to

1337
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,280
do

1338
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,560
i think a lot of people are gonna you

1339
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,680
know maybe go look up the tether

1340
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:31,440
incident or sts or the one you spoke

1341
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,240
about

1342
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,680
and that's ultimately a good thing so

1343
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,520
i'm gonna bump my score for up a little

1344
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,400
bit but i did originally write a two out

1345
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,200
of ten but i'm i'm gonna go for a solid

1346
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,920
six out of ten now because yeah it

1347
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:44,960
wasn't

1348
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,000
but i think if it was made now it would

1349
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,480
probably just be a podcast episode that

1350
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,560
was an hour and a half long you know

1351
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,000
okay i'm gonna give it better than your

1352
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,680
six out of ten i'm gonna give it three

1353
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:00,319
out of five so there we go folks so um

1354
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,839
i'm far more positive than dan on that

1355
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,079
one uh

1356
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,400
with our thumbs just above the middle uh

1357
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,319
it has aged a little bit but for me it's

1358
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,800
an enjoyable documentary largely for

1359
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,960
having a celebrity not necessarily

1360
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,800
associated with the ufo subject

1361
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:16,800
especially in 2022

1362
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,839
other than his crystal skull vodka um if

1363
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:21,359
they want to sponsor the podcast get in

1364
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:22,480
touch then

1365
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,280
you know

1366
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,640
send us a few bottles of it we'll give

1367
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,560
some away but you know

1368
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,400
he's he's never really done much more in

1369
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,560
the subject other than this and it'd

1370
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,160
probably be nice to hear them talk about

1371
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,760
it in modern day um i i have reached out

1372
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,599
folks people ask me you know it's like

1373
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,520
when people email oh get chris melon on

1374
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,079
i i have tried can i just try who who

1375
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:43,839
did you call

1376
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,190
but overall yeah folks for me it's worth

1377
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,720
watching it's an hour and 22 minutes

1378
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,200
don't go out your way and documentaries

1379
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:58,000
like the phenomenon for example are

1380
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,040
much

1381
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,599
more worth your time and dollars this is

1382
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,520
free it's on youtube stick it on in the

1383
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,280
background easy watch and there's some

1384
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,119
interesting footage especially the nasa

1385
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,800
stuff in there given what's going on

1386
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,280
with nasa just now as well um

1387
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,359
it definitely stands a kind of an

1388
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,920
opportunity for someone uh to go and

1389
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,240
make a really really good nasa ufo

1390
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,560
documentary right a hundred percent uh

1391
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,000
some listener thoughts on it folks just

1392
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,160
to finish up um bathory said i'm

1393
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,839
watching that akroyd documentary now

1394
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,119
it's really bothering me that paul

1395
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,520
hellier is speaking so genuinely to a

1396
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,760
hall of crickets paul heller former

1397
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,319
defence minister for canada um

1398
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,400
a very elderly gentleman now as well i

1399
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,160
believe is paul helly or not in his 90s

1400
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,319
now i believe he's getting on a bit now

1401
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,760
yeah i know a few people have asked

1402
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,359
about and i've even called heller in the

1403
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,359
past but he's a very elderly gentleman i

1404
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,839
think he's done his bit in the ufo topic

1405
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,079
and subject and for me that's that'll be

1406
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,839
his legacy and and what he's discussed

1407
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,440
and he's glittering career before that

1408
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,280
so that that's not one i would pursue

1409
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,040
just giving his agent and health status

1410
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,800
but um yeah he said some pretty

1411
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,079
incredible things um on the topic

1412
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,680
some of that no doubt down to knowledge

1413
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,160
some of it down to things he's been told

1414
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,319
or maybe some of it is his

1415
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,000
elder like in a year so if i can say

1416
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,920
that who knows

1417
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,760
he's kind of being absolved a lot i

1418
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,440
think because of the work that dan otis

1419
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:17,040
and vice is doing kind of taking up all

1420
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,319
of these files

1421
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,240
the the torch has been passed i would

1422
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,920
say to to a bunch of modern day

1423
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:24,400
officials um and journalists like dana

1424
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,160
the device so yeah paul enjoy enjoy the

1425
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,400
fruits of your labor and and i think i

1426
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,599
would say that

1427
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,599
he's one of these guys for me that i'd

1428
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,200
love to interview him and talk to him

1429
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,119
but ultimately what is there that he

1430
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,599
hasn't said right yeah hundred percent

1431
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:41,680
and with this accent as well yeah yeah

1432
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,800
it wouldn't work um metaphysica said dan

1433
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,880
waxes eloquently on the fleet of ufos

1434
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,480
spotted by the mexican air force which

1435
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,319
has since been proven to be oil fields

1436
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:52,400
at sea and yes that was one that i

1437
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,520
thought as well and when i saw that

1438
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,040
comment i was like yes that that's

1439
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,200
correct but again i i think that could

1440
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,079
be a a product of its time to be fair i

1441
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,319
think it is yeah and the the filmmaker

1442
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,839
might not necessarily have consulted

1443
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,920
that acquired as well about putting that

1444
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,359
clip there yeah and he just kind of

1445
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,520
asked him to wax lyrical about that

1446
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,200
sighting and at the time it might not

1447
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,040
have been solved so yeah we have we have

1448
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,119
to remember that place in it in history

1449
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,839
and to be fair there wasn't as

1450
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,400
slith a whole bunch of debunkers or

1451
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,240
skeptics waiting by your side like there

1452
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,240
is now on social media

1453
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,680
that do a good work as well because like

1454
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,760
we've just said the

1455
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,839
the drive content the drive article and

1456
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,960
again we'll put the link for that in

1457
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,400
description to this podcast so people

1458
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,119
don't give us into trouble um the

1459
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,720
you know they very quickly and rightly

1460
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,160
debunked that

1461
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:40,000
as its lights and that's what you need

1462
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,599
because let's get rid of that now okay

1463
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,280
we don't have to talk about that anymore

1464
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,880
unless you want to go into the why is

1465
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,319
that kind of stuff coming out but that's

1466
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:48,559
a different discussion for another day

1467
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,839
um missy said i loved it um fpl spaceman

1468
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:54,079
why what a guy what a human being

1469
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,359
imagine just for a second getting a

1470
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,720
phone call from britney spears at the

1471
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,480
same moment the men in black turn up to

1472
00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:00,240
scare you off that should be a great

1473
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:01,839
guest for the show andy and britney

1474
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,800
spears or dan acquired yeah um yj

1475
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,319
overlander always liked dan's

1476
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,839
perspectives i think he means akroyd

1477
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,680
sorry dan i think he's aware of more

1478
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,960
than he says

1479
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:11,760
so

1480
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,800
i don't think dan akroyd at this time

1481
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,960
was one of those guys who who knew maybe

1482
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,920
more than he said i think he was like

1483
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,839
well informed and or well read like you

1484
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,359
said dan where he's read some books he's

1485
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,680
watching documentaries maybe spoken to

1486
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,200
some friends who know some people and

1487
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,720
he's had some kind of maybe second or

1488
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,280
third hand information i don't think it

1489
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,160
was a tom delonge type situation myself

1490
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,559
you you often allude to kind of a

1491
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,359
andy's puzzle model i call it um that

1492
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,359
you know those pieces are out there and

1493
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:43,119
if you spend enough time kind of pulling

1494
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,319
them into some kind of shape you can

1495
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,599
kind of get the edges of a picture and

1496
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,359
make a solid guess at kind of where the

1497
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,520
conversation was going and i think he

1498
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,640
was one of the people that just took

1499
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:51,839
time to do that

1500
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,960
yeah hundred percent um sam phasm great

1501
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,640
name when i first saw this i couldn't

1502
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,480
believe it that accord isn't the ufos in

1503
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,480
a big way mine was blown love the guy

1504
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:02,400
the the rogan appearance didn't do him

1505
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,520
justice

1506
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,760
um kent reynolds who noticed the

1507
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,920
similarity of the pyramid ufo sketch to

1508
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,800
jeremy corbell's pyramid uf uap video

1509
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,480
quite an old documentary but amazing

1510
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,240
comparisons to what is being discussed

1511
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,559
right now in congress we should remove

1512
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,480
review more old documentaries with new

1513
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,800
eyes kudos mr ackroyd well hence is

1514
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,480
doing this and looking at some of those

1515
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,720
older docs and pulling up the relevant

1516
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,240
bits and i think for me the big takeaway

1517
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,800
for this is the nasa stuff which is like

1518
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,640
yeah look this is this is there it's

1519
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,960
been there we've had this for a while

1520
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,119
let's get yeah absolutely and and

1521
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,880
remember nasa is public facing they've

1522
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,480
said that they're going to be talking

1523
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,599
about this as they go and they

1524
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,400
investigate uh the public page is now up

1525
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,839
so you can kind of see their project

1526
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,520
intent and things like that

1527
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,680
and yeah there's an email at the bottom

1528
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,680
get in touch send them these videos send

1529
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:51,119
them all the nasa videos and the

1530
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,559
astronaut testimony just so they're

1531
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:54,000
aware of it because they can't address

1532
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:55,280
it if they're not aware of it give them

1533
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,319
a hand

1534
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,920
laura and linda both said the same

1535
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:59,359
comment off they loved it and it's under

1536
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,319
appreciated uh wagella hi majella we'd

1537
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,760
love to see dan come out of the shadows

1538
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:05,200
and go on a few podcasts like yours

1539
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,319
wouldn't we all and david look uh this

1540
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,559
is dan and i'm deliberately left this

1541
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,160
one as a more skeptical comment just to

1542
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:14,000
be fair right at the end this is dan

1543
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,440
just repeating the popular talking

1544
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,280
points of the day haven't seen it in a

1545
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,720
while but i remember he sounded like

1546
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,720
somebody that went to ufo convention and

1547
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,079
believed everything he heard and

1548
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,559
repeating it as fact somewhat like paul

1549
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,800
heller and everyone's entitled to their

1550
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,319
opinion i

1551
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,920
i get the sentiment of what david's

1552
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,599
saying there and i can't totally

1553
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,599
disagree with with that notion either

1554
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,280
yeah that was something i very much came

1555
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:37,280
away from the brogan appearance with is

1556
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,079
that

1557
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,000
uh dan aykroyd

1558
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,839
he means very well he believes everyone

1559
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:44,160
that he meets um that for me is

1560
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,760
problematic but i totally appreciate

1561
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,200
that he does that and that's it's kind

1562
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,960
of really lovely and compassionate way

1563
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,079
to to approach life and

1564
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,640
that that naivety will lend itself well

1565
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,400
to kind of having conversations and

1566
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:58,480
forming that picture and getting in in

1567
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,599
conversations that you otherwise

1568
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,440
wouldn't have right we need people like

1569
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,520
that yeah if you've lasted this long

1570
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:05,920
folks then thank you very much um if you

1571
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,359
would like to hear us review a

1572
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,520
particular documentary for the next one

1573
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,280
of these in the coming weeks or at least

1574
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,800
in the next kind of three or four weeks

1575
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,079
then let us know what you would like

1576
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:16,559
that to be email yourself okay

1577
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,349
there's a lot of jfk documentaries i

1578
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:25,359
remember the movie about it as a kid but

1579
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,559
yeah that's that's

1580
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:28,319
someone yeah yeah yeah yeah totally

1581
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:29,440
digressing

1582
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,520
but yes email ufo uap am gmail.com or dm

1583
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,280
whatever you would like to do and throw

1584
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,119
some suggestions our way a few people

1585
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:38,640
have suggested things like the dollar

1586
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:39,920
the izat

1587
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,280
ufo documentary which is on amazon or

1588
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,599
amazon prime

1589
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:47,040
i i haven't read the book but i've heard

1590
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,319
that the book paints a very different

1591
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,319
picture that the documentary does so i

1592
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,760
plan on reading the book one day and

1593
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,760
maybe maybe when i do that we can do

1594
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,040
that episode then

1595
00:52:58,829 --> 00:52:56,880
and i could then do the documentary and

1596
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,839
not have the country

1597
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,760
yeah you go

1598
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,440
but if there's anything done anything

1599
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,200
before we go that you would review

1600
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:04,880
personally if i said we've got something

1601
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,400
in the coming weeks what you would want

1602
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:09,040
to do i think i'd like to go back over

1603
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,880
um james

1604
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,119
fox's old documentaries

1605
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,800
just because

1606
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,359
he he mopped up so much footage

1607
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,960
that i think some of it would prompt

1608
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,720
really interesting discussion i know

1609
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,200
what i saw as one of yes out of the blue

1610
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:25,359
as well out of the blue yep so again if

1611
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,720
there's any of those that stand out to

1612
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,400
you folks give us a shout and we'll see

1613
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:30,160
what we can do but enjoy doing this

1614
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,599
hopefully it raised some talking points

1615
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,200
and some interesting thoughts for you as

1616
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:34,960
well if not it gave you something to

1617
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,119
watch for an hour and 22 minutes but yes

1618
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,040
dan thank you very much for your time

1619
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:41,520
thank you for having me

1620
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,390
i can't see who you're going to call one

1621
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,470
i ruined it for you ali yeah that's like

1622
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,400
russia it's the only edit it's just the

1623
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,200
end only i just made you sad bye

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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and again folks as always keep looking

1638
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up you never know what you might see

1639
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when i shut down alice screen he made it

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[Music]

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i can't imagine how it could have been

1642
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any better i got to the top of the

1643
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there was something on my head and

1644
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they thought it was a dream they thought

1645
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[Music]

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and what's that

1647
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[Music]

1648
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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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saucer

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[Music]

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so